雜交 X 多P X 那些荒唐的愛 - 成人話題討論

By Freda
at 2016-02-24T23:49
at 2016-02-24T23:49
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[因為不喜歡反智論調在網路上流傳所以回文]
先整理一下GTR的論調,有錯誤請指正,
你文章主旨是勸人不要參加危險性愛趴避免風險,這沒什麼爭議. 不過接著你開始談的是
HIV多恐怖得了會多慘等等,這就很有問題. 什麼事情都是要講科學的,就像是你家人要搭
飛機,你如果用搭飛機可能會墜機死無全屍來勸對方改搭其他交通工具就說不通了. 考慮
那些體驗墜機的人,當然搭上飛機是必要條件,不過統計來說飛機仍然是世界上廣為人知最
安全的交通工具,連搭個台鐵死亡率都比他高.
回過頭來你的論點,正確來說暴露在危險性行為時,要注意的應該是淋病梅毒B肝或各式HPV
最後才輪到擔心自己會不會申裝AIDS,雖然HIV是全部STD裡面最聳動最適合拿來勸世的,但
過度宣揚反而是另外一種過猶不及,只要不是血進血出的剛剛好或是共用針頭,HIV要傳播
的機率實在非常小,小到比中統一發票還小,而且HIV患者只要身體狀況顧好,終身都未發病
也是有的,我不覺得你這樣接近恐嚇的論點恰當 (不過你一直在改文章語氣已經修很多了)
[然後我也小作整理一下]
※ 引述《nissangtr (G-TR車主)》之銘言:
: 什麼叫作hiv想得也不是那麼容易?我討厭你這種觀念的人,就是你們的漫不經心跟自以
: 為不會得到才會讓愛滋傳播開來。我希望你先糾正自己的偏差觀念。
正視事實不等於漫不經心,我也沒在危險性行為,我也沒在鼓吹危險性行為,與其說我的言
論讓愛滋病傳播開來,不如說你根本正在散播恐愛滋病言論
: 對是百分之一以下,但如果你就是那零點一呢?
機率低是事實,你argue什麼如果我是0.1幹嘛呢,同樣的邏輯可以用在飛機失事或外出散步
被隕石打中,你也可能會是那小部分,你要無限上綱到不搭飛機不出門散步?
: 另外統計資料給你你就信喔?你怎麼知道那些人有沒有完整交待自己的生活史?
http://goo.gl/Ax5QJQ 這是醫學文章,裡面的案例都是"exposure to HIV",不知道你還要
更多私人資料幹嘛?
: 多想想,我們沒有必要踏入死蔭的幽谷。
這句話是聖經出來的吧,希望我沒過多聯想
出來,看一看多少了解一些,這你也做得到吧
2.是你不懂機率吧?
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先整理一下GTR的論調,有錯誤請指正,
你文章主旨是勸人不要參加危險性愛趴避免風險,這沒什麼爭議. 不過接著你開始談的是
HIV多恐怖得了會多慘等等,這就很有問題. 什麼事情都是要講科學的,就像是你家人要搭
飛機,你如果用搭飛機可能會墜機死無全屍來勸對方改搭其他交通工具就說不通了. 考慮
那些體驗墜機的人,當然搭上飛機是必要條件,不過統計來說飛機仍然是世界上廣為人知最
安全的交通工具,連搭個台鐵死亡率都比他高.
回過頭來你的論點,正確來說暴露在危險性行為時,要注意的應該是淋病梅毒B肝或各式HPV
最後才輪到擔心自己會不會申裝AIDS,雖然HIV是全部STD裡面最聳動最適合拿來勸世的,但
過度宣揚反而是另外一種過猶不及,只要不是血進血出的剛剛好或是共用針頭,HIV要傳播
的機率實在非常小,小到比中統一發票還小,而且HIV患者只要身體狀況顧好,終身都未發病
也是有的,我不覺得你這樣接近恐嚇的論點恰當 (不過你一直在改文章語氣已經修很多了)
[然後我也小作整理一下]
※ 引述《nissangtr (G-TR車主)》之銘言:
: 什麼叫作hiv想得也不是那麼容易?我討厭你這種觀念的人,就是你們的漫不經心跟自以
: 為不會得到才會讓愛滋傳播開來。我希望你先糾正自己的偏差觀念。
正視事實不等於漫不經心,我也沒在危險性行為,我也沒在鼓吹危險性行為,與其說我的言
論讓愛滋病傳播開來,不如說你根本正在散播恐愛滋病言論
: 對是百分之一以下,但如果你就是那零點一呢?
機率低是事實,你argue什麼如果我是0.1幹嘛呢,同樣的邏輯可以用在飛機失事或外出散步
被隕石打中,你也可能會是那小部分,你要無限上綱到不搭飛機不出門散步?
: 另外統計資料給你你就信喔?你怎麼知道那些人有沒有完整交待自己的生活史?
http://goo.gl/Ax5QJQ 這是醫學文章,裡面的案例都是"exposure to HIV",不知道你還要
更多私人資料幹嘛?
: 多想想,我們沒有必要踏入死蔭的幽谷。
這句話是聖經出來的吧,希望我沒過多聯想
推 ryan09357379: 某b鍵盤醫學博士?02/24 22:01
我不是醫學界的人,不過google輸入hiv probability of transmission就好幾頁相關文章 出來,看一看多少了解一些,這你也做得到吧
推 yaokaichang: 內射也不是100%懷孕,那看來某b應該沒買過套子02/24 22:58
→ yaokaichang: 看來某b只懂0與100% 02/24 22:59
1.你哪裡推論來我沒在買保險套的? 2.是你不懂機率吧?
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